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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://alexbarnett.net/blog/utility/FeedStylesheets/rss.xsl" media="screen"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/"><channel><title>Alex Barnett blog : HTML5, silverlight, Apollo, XML</title><link>http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/tags/HTML5/silverlight/Apollo/XML/default.aspx</link><description>Tags: HTML5, silverlight, Apollo, XML</description><dc:language>en</dc:language><generator>CommunityServer 2007 (Build: 20416.853)</generator><item><title>The Web Standards Fluster Cuck</title><link>http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/2007/08/13/the-web-standards-fluster-cuck.aspx</link><pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:58:00 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">0a97a1d1-9921-457b-8bd7-ce5530d7bd45:40346</guid><dc:creator>alexbarnett</dc:creator><slash:comments>2</slash:comments><wfw:comment xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/">http://alexbarnett.net/blog/commentapi.aspx?PostID=40346</wfw:comment><comments>http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/2007/08/13/the-web-standards-fluster-cuck.aspx#comments</comments><description>&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;Clucking bell, Molly Holzshlag really has kicked the web standards&amp;nbsp;beehive with&amp;nbsp;a blog&amp;nbsp;post expressing her great discontent with the &lt;A class="" href="http://www.w3.org/" mce_href="http://www.w3.org/"&gt;W3C&lt;/A&gt; and &lt;A class="" href="http://www.webstandards.org/" mce_href="http://www.webstandards.org/"&gt;WaSP&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Ridiculously Inadequate Backgrounder&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;Now, before you head off and read the post and the 60+ comments, here's a bit of background on why I find this post of interest (and rather depressing):&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;I've been following Molly's work for a while now. She first came &lt;A class="" href="http://blogs.msdn.com/alexbarn/archive/2005/07/21/441464.aspx" mce_href="http://blogs.msdn.com/alexbarn/archive/2005/07/21/441464.aspx"&gt;on to my radar&lt;/A&gt; when &lt;A class="" href="http://www.molly.com/2005/07/21/meeting-microsoft/" mce_href="http://www.molly.com/2005/07/21/meeting-microsoft/"&gt;after providing&lt;/A&gt; an update on the progress made between the Microsoft IE, VS and .NET teams and the Web Standards Project (&lt;A class="" href="http://www.webstandards.org/" mce_href="http://www.webstandards.org/"&gt;WaSP&lt;/A&gt;). That was in 2005. Then in January 2007,&amp;nbsp;&lt;A class="" href="http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/2007/01/30/The-Molly-and-IE-story-keeps-getting-better.aspx" mce_href="http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/2007/01/30/The-Molly-and-IE-story-keeps-getting-better.aspx"&gt;I noted&lt;/A&gt; Molly's announcement that&amp;nbsp;she had left WASP&amp;nbsp;to &lt;A href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/01/30/working-together-for-a-better-web.aspx"&gt;join the IE team&lt;/A&gt; on a contract basis to work on standards and interoperability issues. &lt;A class="" href="http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/2007/01/30/The-Molly-and-IE-story-keeps-getting-better.aspx" mce_href="http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/2007/01/30/The-Molly-and-IE-story-keeps-getting-better.aspx"&gt;I was pleased&lt;/A&gt; to see the IE team was making a real effort.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;Entirely seperately, but not entirely, in October of 2006 Tim Berners-Lee &lt;A class="" href="http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/166" mce_href="http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/166"&gt;called for the reinvention of HTML&lt;/A&gt;. His call to action&amp;nbsp;caused a bit of &lt;A class="" href="http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/2006/10/27/So-we-want-to-reinvent-HTML.-Now-What_3F00_.aspx" mce_href="http://alexbarnett.net/blog/archive/2006/10/27/So-we-want-to-reinvent-HTML.-Now-What_3F00_.aspx"&gt;a hoo-ha at the time&lt;/A&gt;. What's that got to do with Molly? Well, as noted, some of the &lt;A class="" href="http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/10/reinventing_html_discuss.html" mce_href="http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/10/reinventing_html_discuss.html"&gt;reactions&lt;/A&gt; to&amp;nbsp;TBL's post varied from &lt;A href="http://www.snellspace.com/wp/?p=501"&gt;skepticism&lt;/A&gt;, to '&lt;A href="http://www.ericri.com/et/blog/2006/10/w3cs-html-planning-gets-boot-reboot.aspx"&gt;About time!&lt;/A&gt;'&amp;nbsp;- and here's the connection with Molly's latest post&amp;nbsp;- to&amp;nbsp; &lt;A href="http://theryanking.com/blog/archives/2006/10/27/new-html-working-group/"&gt;what role&lt;/A&gt; the &lt;A href="http://whatwg.org/"&gt;WHATWG&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;will play in what presumably&amp;nbsp;could&amp;nbsp;be a competing effort to the &lt;A href="http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#html5"&gt;HTML 5 (or XHTML5) spec in progress&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;at the time.&amp;nbsp;However, I was pleased to hear TBL's public calling for progress and hoped we might see some of&amp;nbsp;this progrss&amp;nbsp;after &lt;A class="" href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/" mce_href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/"&gt;HTML's 8-year stagnation&lt;/A&gt;. Then in July 2007, we had the news that HTML5 was being &lt;A class="" href="http://www.webforefront.com/archives/2007/07/html_5.html" mce_href="http://www.webforefront.com/archives/2007/07/html_5.html"&gt;considered by the W3C&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Confused? You should be.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;So&amp;nbsp;after&amp;nbsp;my ridiculously inadequate backgrounder, you can now go ahead and read Molly's &lt;A class="" href="http://www.molly.com/2007/08/11/dear-w3c-dear-wasp" mce_href="http://www.molly.com/2007/08/11/dear-w3c-dear-wasp"&gt;post&lt;/A&gt;, along with the contributions be&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;cast&amp;nbsp;of&amp;nbsp;characters (&lt;A class="" href="http://www.molly.com/2007/08/11/dear-w3c-dear-wasp/#comments" mce_href="http://www.molly.com/2007/08/11/dear-w3c-dear-wasp/#comments"&gt;the commenters&lt;/A&gt;), some of whom are&amp;nbsp;affiliated with various competing factions wrestling with the future of web&amp;nbsp;standards and HTML, who&amp;nbsp;somehow manage to converge&amp;nbsp;the various threads&amp;nbsp;(now including &lt;A class="" href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/08/fear_of_air.cfm" mce_href="http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/08/fear_of_air.cfm"&gt;a Fear of Air&lt;/A&gt;, the &lt;A class="" href="http://kilianvalkhof.com/2007/web/html5-improving-the-webwhen-its-done/" mce_href="http://kilianvalkhof.com/2007/web/html5-improving-the-webwhen-its-done/"&gt;Semantic Web&lt;/A&gt;, microformats, Silverlight, &lt;A class="" href="http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2007/07/wheres_xml_going.html" mce_href="http://www.oreillynet.com/xml/blog/2007/07/wheres_xml_going.html"&gt;XML&lt;/A&gt;, &lt;A class="" href="http://manwithnoblog.com/2007/08/12/are-we-becoming-complacent/" mce_href="http://manwithnoblog.com/2007/08/12/are-we-becoming-complacent/"&gt;community&lt;/A&gt;, accessibility, &lt;A class="" href="http://oatmealstout.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/what-does-the-web-standards-project-do/" mce_href="http://oatmealstout.wordpress.com/2007/08/13/what-does-the-web-standards-project-do/"&gt;transparency&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;and who-knows-what-else)&amp;nbsp;into what looks like a complete political mess (read: fluster cuck).&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;Yes, it is&amp;nbsp;depressing,, but such is the business of web standards agreement.&amp;nbsp;A messy business indeed...There's even a&amp;nbsp;YouTube video covering the drama - &lt;A class="" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRG5VNNUq_E" mce_href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRG5VNNUq_E"&gt;HTML5 trailer - Find your Hero&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;-&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P mce_keep="true"&gt;Thanks to &lt;A class="" href="http://vanderwal.net/random/index.php" mce_href="http://vanderwal.net/random/index.php"&gt;Thomas Vander Wal&lt;/A&gt; for the link to Molly's post.&lt;/P&gt;
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